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Transcript: What's the Next Dance?

Jul 2, 2022

Voiceover: Welcome to What the Hills. With a lifetime of living, here we are, Adelaide Hills locals just like you. That's why What The Hills is your program for the Adelaide Hills. We focus on the stories from the place where you live. And now here's your host, Kimberly Franklin.

Kimberley: Ginger Rogers did it backwards and in high heels. And the Woodchester Community Dance Club is now giving locals an opportunity to learn to dance in a friendly, comfortable club. Some listeners will remember the days of the regular community dance or when dancing in the arms of your partner was a weekly occurrence. The club wants to bring back those days without the stress and expense of formal classes. Daryl Owen joined me this week to talk about the benefits of dance and how you can get involved.

Kimberley: On What The Hills today I'm talking to Daryl Owen from the Woodchester Community Dance Club and he's going to tell us all about what they do on Tuesday nights.

Kimberley: Hi, Daryl.

Daryl: Hi, how are you doing?

Kimberley: I'm great, thanks. And I'm excited to learn about the dance club and what you do. It seems like something that is a little bit out of the past, so I'd love to know how the club got started and how long it's been going.

Daryl: this style of dancing is a bit from the past but it's also very much of the future. It's now referred to as being new vogue dancing, but it has many different names. and your question was how do we get started and how long we've been going? So we've had about three starts due to covert and starting and stopping. We started during the day as part of the University of the Third Age at Strathalbyn. And we're going during the day. Attracted a few people, but we found the Woodchester Hall. It has a very happy, friendly management team and, they weren't using the hall very much and it's very good for the type of dancing we want to do. And it has a beautiful sprung floor. So we decided we would move our dancing to Woodchester. It's actually called the Richardson Hall at Woodchester. It's the only hall, so if you come, you can't miss it.

Kimberley: Okay, so it's the new vogue or modern ballroom dancing that you do. How long has the club been going?

Daryl: The club's now probably been going for close, to two years, on and off. But we reformed again in, about eight weeks ago and all the people came back and we've renamed ourselves. We were offering ballroom dancing, but that sounds a bit scary to some people and we're also not restricting ourselves. So we're happy to explore dancing in general in the future, especially if some members come along. So we have aspirations to move off in all sorts of directions. But primarily we're starting in what's called the new vogue or ballroom. Also in some circles it's called old style dancing. so it involves sequence dancing in that you are doing things in repeated sequences. So an example of a sequence, if we go to a very long sequence, would be people on Dancing with the Stars where they know what they're going to do at the beginning and they've gone through a very long sequence where they're doing these various dance figures. Now, in our case, we're doing much simpler routines. We're shortening them down into eight bars or 16 bars. So in a typical song, we repeat the sequence five or six times and as you go, you're getting better at it. Yeah. so that's primarily the gist of the dancing.

Kimberley: So this came from the University of the Third Age activity.

Daryl: Through the University of the Third Age, we, had somewhere to promote it in Strathalbyn and we had support in organizing a hall and we had support with financing it in the initial stages. But we then decided in the long term we're better off just to move off by ourselves. And as I said before, we had the support from the Woodchester Hall committee to use their home and they've been very cooperative and friendly. So hence we chose, to do it, at the Woodchester Hall in Callington. The time we're doing it at 07:00 p.m. On a Tuesday. Because there are also other places that you can dance. So if you find that you're enjoying it, as some people do, you can move off to other venues, you can move off to professional, teachers, you can move off to other clubs that are offering the same style of dancing.

Kimberley: Now, I think it's really easy for us all to imagine that ballroom dancing would give you a little bit of a workout and be great for people who want a fun way to get fit and maybe practice coordination, that sort of thing. But I've heard that doing this sort of dancing can help you to learn to use your brain in a totally different way that you might not have been used to before.

Daryl: That's the empirical evidence shows that you're using primarily obviously, our legs are the main thing we're using and for most of our life, apart from when we learn to drive a car and we learn to use a clutch and so forth, for most of our lives, all we do is use our legs walking or running. So we're suddenly using them in a variety of ways. you are exercising, your mind to remember the sequence. You're exercising your mind to remember the dance steps. You're exercising your body in a fairly gentle way. It's not very physically demanding, but it is gentle exercise. And of course, the other important part of it is the socialization and the actual physical contact. So we've now converted our dance class to have leaders and followers, whereas we once had men and ladies, but we're finding the ladies more keen. So we get ladies who come along and they end up being the lead and then they swap backwards and forwards. So they get also, apart from, learning to use, their body and their minds are also getting social contact, with other people on a regular basis, which is also an important part of the whole process. Now, as I say, we do these small sequences. So many people are familiar, for example, with the military two step, which they probably learned at school maybe once upon a time. So that's something we will demonstrate. I say demonstrate because my partner and I are not qualified teachers as such. So we are demonstrators, the same as Barry at the Murray Bridge Dance Club who meet at Monarto. He is also a demonstrator. Or if you want to go off to Victor Harbor at Middleton, they also have demonstrators. If you do want to learn higher level, there are professional people, so you can move along to someone like that. As an example, at the, Littlehampton Institute, I believe there's a dance teacher by the name of Donna, and she'd be happy to have you there and make sure you learn every intricacy, if you're interested in that. In, the scope of this dancing. Some people choose to go on to competition dancing, which is primarily based in Adelaide. So they get very excited about how they're doing things, whereas we're completely unexcited about how you're doing things. We're just interested in participating. We're quite happy for people to modify sequences as it suits them. For example, there's a few dances where there's a bit of spinning involved and for, some of the people are having trouble keeping their balance with the spinning. So they're just doing a few moves on the spot instead of doing a spin and then picking up the dance after that. That's the sort of thing that we're interested in is promoting that brain activity, your body activity and your social activity and all for quite a reasonable price.

Kimberley: It all sounds really good. And I think that the really telling thing of all of this is that it's a dance club. It's not dancing lessons, it's not a dance school. It's a club where people come together to share the skills that they have and to have a good time doing something that they're all interested in. Is that how it works?

Daryl: Yeah, absolutely. That's how it works. So at the moment, my partner and I are doing most of the demonstrating, but as I said, we have the scope and the flexibility to introduce other forms of dancing. For example, in the past we've attended a lot of bush dancers and we found them quite good. That's probably something more so as we're coming further and further away from Covid because bush dancing often involves one line facing another line and you're coming in and you're swapping partners and you're whirling around and all the rest of it. So it's probably not ready for that in terms of Covid exposure but in the long term we'd be happy to play with that sort of concept. One of the ladies want to learn a line dance so we've chosen one line dance so we'll probably introduce that soon. As soon as I have to learn it first I'm watching the YouTubes, I'm slowly soaking it up. So yes again it's a fairly simple dance and it's something that also ironically can be done in couples as well. I think for that one when we come to it we'll probably do that just as individuals so that everyone can be included.

Kimberley: You're still learning dances yourself. You mentioned getting onto YouTube and learning this line dance. What's your personal journey with dance been like? Is it something that's been in your life for many years or have you just got into it recently?

Daryl: Yes, I've been dancing now for about twelve years. I came to dancing after a partnership separation saw a little advert in Adelaide so I started dancing at a commercial dance, studio which was really I say commercial, it's really a part time business so he has various ways of making money and in the evenings he runs a dance, a couple of dances a couple of nights a week. So they were also qualified teachers. So I came to dancing then. Yeah. I explored several forms of dancing. I went to the square dancing. I found that to be good, I went to the line dancing. I found that to be a bit too individual and I enjoyed this which was very much called New Vogue dancing at the time. I really enjoyed that because the scope to take it to where you want to take it, there's simple dances, there's complex dances, there's the ability to do that if you want to in a very controlled artistic manner, if that's what you're into. I was offered that but I chose not to do that. It's offered all over the place. So for example later in this year we're going to go to Wallaroo and they have a Friday night dance, a Saturday night dance and the Sunday dance. So we don't do a lot of that. We normally only dance once or twice per week but there are certainly people that dance three or four times a week because they find it so enjoyable and it covers a lot of their needs. so yeah so my journey was really that I've just enjoyed dancing and gone to various venues. There was a lady running a dance in Hahndorf. Unfortunately she's retired for now. She got closed down by Covid and at this point she's not quite ready to start again. There's a lot of commitment to run a dance at that level whereas the commitment we have is fairly minimal. We're just coming on a Tuesday we're showing different dances and we're repeating things and yeah, it's fairly, relaxed at the moment.

Kimberley: So on a Tuesday night, what sort of dances can we see people doing? There's a few that I know the names of, if not quite the moves, but tell us the range of different dances people could be taking part in.

Daryl: Okay, so at the moment we're teaching a cha cha, which is in this case it's called the Jacqueline cha cha, which you could find on a YouTube. we've already taught the, SallyAnne cha cha. And in Adelaide there's about 90 dances that do the circuits and we're up to about twelve so far that people have learnt in terms of, worldwide there's probably 800 dancers, but we're just focusing on the ones that get done in this district. Primarily. There's a chapter we do rumbas, we do what's called, a swing. But it's not like swing dancing, it's a bit different. Again, there's these terms that go around that get applied very loosely. I have trouble understanding the differences in them, really. They have different basic moves and they have different styles, of music that go with it. So if people are familiar with something like Tom Jones's Sex Bomb, we're doing the SallyAnn cha cha, or the Jacqueline cha cha, to that Tom Jones track. So as I said, there's Rumbas, cha chas and we also are doing a few waltzes. So there's a very common waltz which we're tackling at the moment, which is fairly complicated. So we'll probably end up doing that for about six weeks, being the Alpha waltz. So almost anywhere you go dancing in South Australia during the evening an alpha waltz will come up. So that's why we've decided that we would tackle the alpha waltz. We've already learned the new vogue modern waltz, which is a simpler waltz. But again, it's quite a different style of music. So if people are familiar with something like Sandy's Song, which we normally have, vocal tracks, so people can sing along if they want to, or just dance. Some of the other dance venues, such as the Murray Bridge Dance Group, who are based at Monarto, they tend to use mostly music tracks, only without vocals. But they also have on their regular monthly dance, which I do on a Saturday night, the second Saturday in each month, they use a guy who bangs, away on his organ. He's very good. He has all sorts of instruments hiding in his organ, like guitars and pan pipes and all sorts of things. And he sings. Yeah, but they probably have slightly more mellow music than what we are choosing. But again, we're pretty flexible. If people want to come along and join in and introduce our own music again, that would be fine. So, yeah, I think we've covered most of the dances. Rumbas, Chachas, two steps, waltzes and two tangoes. A few, basic tangos and again, you might enjoy, finding you enjoy the tango. So if you, felt so motivated, you get in your car and go to Adelaide one night a week and just do tango, something like Argentine tango, which is obviously they do it to a much higher, level than the little tangos we're doing out there in our dance club.

Kimberley: It all really sounds like a lot of fun and a lot of scope for learning. You said up to 800 dances, although not quite so many, perhaps in the local area. But you've also mentioned some other dance clubs that would be around the area, probably accessible to most people who would go out to Woodchester. Is there an association of these dance clubs? How do you make friends with them and know when they're happening?

Daryl: There is no formal association of dance clubs. We live out at Hartley, which, is halfway between Strathalbyn and Murray Bridge, roughly, if you drew a straight line. So we dance at the Monarto group, which is the Murray Bridge, dance group. And they have what they call their circuit. So we don't go to many of their other circuits, but we are going this Saturday to Burdett because we're friendly with a lady that runs with a couple that runs Burdett. So Burdett is on the other side of the Murray between Mannum and Murray Bridge. So the Murray Bridge Dance Group promotes what they call their circuit. So we go to some of them there's. Also on the Second Saturday there's still a dance at Echunga. So that's the same night as the Monarto, one. So we've only been to Echunga once, just to have a look. And we also regularly go down to Victor Harbor. The Victor Harbor Dance Club is now based permanently at Middleton. They got offered a hall by the Alexandrina Council at Middleton. So they accepted that. And they are every Wednesday. So they do the same things as we do, but they're a much bigger club and they run three Saturday dances a month as well. So they have different members who run the evenings for them. So at this point, we're not running any Saturday dances. We're just focusing on our Tuesday night. And we're focusing on really on trying to introduce people to the joys of dancing, introduce them to the basics of the whole thing. And we're quite looking forward in the future to where our members get more involved. So we might agree, for example, that we might run a bigger dance at somewhere like Wistow, for example, where the hall is a little bit bigger and where it's a little bit more central. So we might, end up running a Saturday night dance there in the future or something like that. We are interested in using some of these fairly poorly used, country halls which are dotted around the place. And they mostly have, nice floors for dancing with sprung, well, we call it a sprung floor. So it's wood that gives away it gives away slightly under your feet as opposed to dancing on concrete. That's what we're looking at. The long term of moving in towards slowly letting the club grow.

Kimberley: If I decide to go along to Woodchester on a Tuesday, night, what am I likely to see? Will I see people in ball gowns? Will I see lots and lots of people there? Will it be very strict? What's my experience going to be like?

Daryl: Okay, so your experience on a Tuesday night will, basically be fairly casual. So we dress casually. People just come along and hopefully not the clothes they've been working in that day if they're out on the farm. But yeah, just casual, clothes. We have trouble getting going on time because people like to chat when they arrive and we stop for a cup of tea at some point, which is optional. Some people don't stop for a cup of tea and that tends to go on for longer than it probably should or could, but that's really not important. spend about half an hour learning a new dance, just repeating the sequence. So we're not using music, we're just talking through it. People are watching and people are copying and people are learning what they call dance figures. So, as an example, we have a lockstep, which is really just left right, left right, but you're doing your left right, left right in a different way. So it takes a little bit of figuring out how to do it. Once you figure out that lock step, you've then got that in your repertoire of dance figures and it will repeat itself in other, dances. So you don't have to learn that again. So when a new figure comes up, we will spend, time repeating that. Yeah, you can repeat it to the point where you can do your lockstep and have a conversation with the person who you're dancing with because it becomes as the same as if we still drive a manual car or we still put, our foot down on the clutch or the brake. We don't think about it. We, just do it. So we're looking to learn dance figures and to slowly incorporate them into our mind so that when they come up again, things happen much quicker. So hence, as I say, at the moment, we're teaching the Jacqueline Chacha. We'll probably do that for one more week, and that will only be the third week we've taught that. because there's a lot of repeating going on. So primarily, as I say, we have a casual environment. some people decide to go and sit down and watch for a while, have a drink of water or whatever. Some people are deciding, some dance moves aren't suiting their body, so they're modifying them and that's all right. So really, our focus is on participation and enjoyment, and not so much on how well you're actually doing the dance. because we don't think that's that important. Yeah. And then we normally finish at 09:00, but then often there's a few requests, so we push on a bit after that. And we've got the hall for as long as we want anyway. No close neighbors, so we're pretty well right there. So, yeah, it's good.

Kimberley: I have to ask because you used a little bit of dancing jargon there. What's a figure?

Daryl: Okay, so the figure is a specific dance move. Now, simple example, of a figure would be a box where you're going forward. Well, the lead goes forward on their left foot. They take their right foot across on an angle and spread it out. And then they bring their left foot over to join it. And they move back on their right foot, put their left foot back to where the original starting position was, and then they close their right foot into their left foot. So they're going forward and across, back and across, ending up at the same place. And that's called a box. Now, obviously, we can do a forward box or, a back box. So there are some dancers with backboxes. So at that point, the lead goes in, a back box. The lead goes back with their left foot instead of going forward with their left foot. And they repeat and they end up, as explained, they end up doing a box. A box is a dance figure. And once you've learned the box, the same thing as the lockstep has a chance that comes up in other dances. And we also do half boxes. in the walls, you're often going forward on your left. You go across with your right foot, so it's level with your, left foot. And then you close your left foot to it. You're doing like, a little L shape half box. So, again, that's a dance figure. And again, as you're going more, progressing more, you can do your little half box. You could do it forwards, and backwards. You can change directions, so you're moving into a different space. one of the interesting things about this dancing is if you have a free mind and you end up at your niece's wedding somewhere and there's dancing, you can introduce your dance figures onto the dance floor where you are. So you can do a box, you can do lock steps, you can do various other dance figures you've learnt, as long as your mind is free enough. I, tend to fall back into a sequence. So once I do a lock step, I know this comes next, I do this next. That's primarily what a dance figure is. It's a little self contained move, which, as I say, we then put into sequence. so you might do a forward box and a back box, and then a side step and things like this. So it ends up forming a sequence. And the advantage, as I say, we try to, focus on teaching the figures so that when it comes up in another dance, we don't have to labor over that. Again, we just say, okay, we're doing a forward box, we're doing a back box. So, yeah, that's how it's going so far. And since, we're still promoting to people, we're also going to put in some what we are considering doing is having an early start, for the new people. And primarily, we would be looking at dance figures rather than whole dances, so that they can get figures into their repertoire and then they can convert those figures into dances. And while we're on the topic, I think a lot of people are familiar with the Military Two. It starts you're holding your partner in an open hold and you're virtually mirroring each other. So you both step on your outside foot, you step out, you step in. So that's a very simple dance figure. So again, that gets repeated. And one of the things we learn when we start going dancing is that we got more legs than we thought we had because we've got our left feet and our right feet. We've got our inside feet or outside feet. We've got the feet that are closer to the partner. So we've got all sorts of ways of talking about which foot, we're starting on and what we're going to do with that leg. at that time,

Kimberley: I have a horrible feeling that at least two of my feet are going to be left ones.

Daryl: Yeah, well, that's good.

Kimberley: I really like the idea of learning the figures individually and using them as building blocks to learn the dance or the sequence later on. I did do, for a little while, ballroom dancing lessons when I was a kid. I would have been about nine. So it was just a couple of years ago, and they never taught us that there was such a thing as just learning a particular step and then putting that together. We are now going to learn the cha cha and you learn the cha cha from beginning to end. And that was the cha cha. And so I like this idea of learning building blocks and then later on they can say, well, you know those four building blocks that you learned a couple of months ago? We're going to put those together and suddenly you're going to know a new kind of waltz or something like that. Is that how it tends to work for people?

Daryl: Yeah, that is how well, I think that's a good way to do it, because I've learned this from Karen Russell, who did have a dance business based in Hahndorf, and also she did stuff and she ran dances in the city. And, that was her very firm belief that if we learn the figures properly, we can then incorporate those figures into dances as they come along. And then regularly we'll choose a dance and we'll discover a figure we haven't learned. So then we can sit and we can stop and we can focus on that figure until people have got a good concept of that figure. And again, you're slowly building up your repertoire of dance figures, which, as I say, if you're a free thinking person, which a lot of people are, you can then convert those dancing figures into freestyle dancing.

Kimberley: So you've been going a little while now but really just getting off the ground after all sorts of Covid interruptions and getting established at Woodchester. Where do people come from and what sorts of people go to your dance club on a Tuesday night?

Daryl: Several of the people that come from Strathalbyn, that was where we did start. We have a couple that come from Manham because there's not much on offer at Madam. They're quite excited because on this Saturday, the first Saturday of the month, they're going to join us at Burdett because that's not too far from Manhunt. We got a few people that come from Hartley. They're excited that they could do something close to home. Couple that come from just a nearby area of Woodchester. So, yeah, people are coming from far and wide, but mostly from around Strathalbyn.

Kimberley: So what kinds, of people go on a Tuesday night? Have you got young and old, experienced people who just want to get out and have some dancing in their lives.

Daryl: Who goes, well, we have a variety of people. We're primarily the older crowd, but we're tracking a few slightly younger people. And yeah, I think it depends on what their need is. The local girl, we have a local girl, Sam, who comes along who works from home and so she's excited that she can have something to go to which is near home, is social, is exercise, is working her brain in a different ways, getting her off, her bum because she does accounting style, work, I think, and quite a few retired people. We have a very keen person who comes from, as I said, from Mannum. And she also goes to, Adelaide twice a week for lessons in different styles of dancing. So we have a bit of a variety really. Yeah. And not all couples. we've got about five single ladies now who come along. So they are having terms of being lead and this is a normal problem of having, too many ladies and a lot of, irony in that. Traditionally men do the lead. but always ladies learn quicker. So I don't understand why, but it's almost a rule of dancing. So one of our new couple have come along from word of mouth. She's taking into it very quickly and he's really struggling but he's persisting. he's taken to it. He's watching his YouTube he's practicing. So they've only been coming for about four weeks, but he is starting to make progress. That's the sort of people it's really anybody we're happy to have young people. There some young people, we've had a few that come along for a while prior to their weddings. So they want to get a little bit of waltzing experience without, going too far into it. They choose not to pay for serious dance lessons. They just want to have a little bit of knowledge so they don't look completely goosey when they're doing their wedding dance. That's the sort of people we're getting along and mostly people who just want to have a relaxing evening and enjoy themselves. So now I didn't think about if people are interested in looking at learning a bit more about why people do it and who does it and what the benefits are. There was a very interesting article in the ABC News. So if you get your finger out in your phone, you can search for on the ABC for an article on the 26 June. So that's saying dancing is good for the heart and good for the brain as exercise socializing helps reduce dementia risk. So this is where the universities have done studies now and they've nominated this activity as being the number one anti dementia activity for that very reason. And it's sort of interesting that we have some of the couples who come along. Their intimacy isn't so much so suddenly once a week they're holding, each other close for a time period. And I think that's helping their relationship as well as they have a reason for holding each other closely. It's quite good from that point of view.

Daryl: To answer the original question, we're getting a variety of people and we are open to anybody coming along and we're open to our dance club evolving in whichever way it might evolve.

Kimberley: You mentioned at the start that there's benefits in fitness and socialization and using your brain in a different way, but it sounds like there's so many more benefits than just that, that you just don't even think about everything up to, as you said, couples having a reason to be close to each other and to do a joint activity together. And you just don't think of that sort of thing as something that you might just need an excuse to go and do. So that sounds really good. Now while you've been talking, I've been thinking about stories that my mum and my grandma used to tell me. My grandparents would run dances very regularly at the Wistow Hall, which you've already mentioned, and it was every week. And my mum grew up having to do this as the child of the people organizing it. And so she had to learn all the dances. And when she was younger, when she got tired, it was sleeping under the chairs and staying out of the way. And it was really a big social thing and a way of life for a lot of people. Do you see that as something that will, at least for the people involved, become something that they do just as part of their lives, rather than a special event, getting ready for a wedding or some other thing that's happening?

Daryl: Well, I think that would be good. I mean, the thing about today is there's millions of things that we can do and there's millions of ways that people promote what they want you to do. We're fighting against, television programs. We're fighting against all, sorts of activities to try to keep this sort of activity, going. So I think back in the days you're talking about, there's probably less things on offer. There is also definitely much more of that sense of community. So I think once you get a little dance club going, you do have a sense of community with those people that you see every week. And that's where we're thinking that eventually we might offer our, monthly dance as well, so that people can put on their glad rags and dress up. We went to a ball at Tailem Bend for the, Murray Land Dance Group that is based at Tailem Bend, and people really enjoyed dressing up all the way, with men wearing gloves that were matching their partner's suits and things like this. We didn't get that involved in it. We dressed nicely and that was okay. So, yeah, I think it is that sense of community, which we've probably now, lost a lot of ways. Yeah, so that's what we're offering. it, we're trying to keep the prices quite reasonable and the Woodchester Hall Committee are okay with that. so in the beginning, we're giving them only a small amount of money. Now we're building our numbers up to get started to get a bit of income because the hole is reasonably old and we'd like that hole to stay there and keep being used. They used to have a regular yearly, gathering there at the end of the year and they got a lot of people coming to that. So I just think it's good to remind ourselves that, community is important and activities are important. It's easy to sit down on the couch, whether you're watching television or whether you're YouTubing, or whether you're doing whatever you're doing. Time gets away very quickly. and if you get out and get involved with, people, I think it works in the long term, works very much in the benefit, especially for your emotional and all your mental health from that point of view.

Kimberley: Sounds like a really good activity to be involved in. I think we had better ask again about all the vital details about where to, go and when to go and what it costs.

Daryl: Okay, so we're at the Richardson Hall, which is in Callington Road at Woodchester. We meet at 07:00 p.m. On every Tuesday, 07:00 p.m. Till 09:00 p.m.. Yeah, that's about the whole details. Just bring yourself, bring a comfortable pair of flat, well fitting shoes. You don't want shoes to flop around underneath your feet, which some people turn up with. Yeah. and apart from that, there are also, other venues in the area if you're interested in looking for them. So that's the details. Ten p. M Tuesday, Callington Road, Woodchester. And come with a smile on your face and leave with a smile on your face.

Kimberley: It all sounds like, an awful lot of fun and I reckon that you'll be seeing a few extra people at Woodchester on a Tuesday night sometime very soon. Thanks so much Daryl, for coming to have a talk to us on What The Hills. It's been great to hear about this Woodchester Community Dance club and exactly how the dance club works and how we can be involved. It's really good.

Daryl: Thank you very much for having, me.

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